Doctor unable to locate vas deferens

My husband just called me and was very upset. Last week he had an appointment to schedule a Vasectomy and the DR had a hard time locating his vas deferens, telling him he was too small in the private area and thats why he (the DR) had a hard time finding the vas deferens. That of course made my husband very upset. He scheduled his vasectomy for a week later, which was today.

My husband took time off work and went in. Well the DR never did the vasectomy he told him he couldn’t locate his vas deferens (after prodding around) and that my husband would have to do it at a hospital and be put to sleep for the procedure. The Doctors reason this time was that my husband has to much fat in his private area to locate the vas deferens. Now my husband could lose a few, but is not that bad. The Doctor told him about 1 percent end up having to go through surgery in the hospital.

A simple procedure is turning into a huge hassle. Is this DR right in what he is saying to my husband? Is the vas deferens really that hard to locate?

The vas deferens can be difficult to palpate and the difficulty of palpation is related to the patient’s anatomy and the physician’s familiarity with anatomy in this region. In these difficult situations, you never want to force a physician to perform a surgery in a situation he/she is not comfortable in. My recommendation to any patient in this situation is to either go along with your surgeon’s preference for performing the vasectomy, or choose another surgeon.

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Does the Vasclip procedure mean vasectomy reversal is easier or cheaper

From Meagan:-
My husband had a vasectomy clip done about 4 years ago. We are wanting to get that reversed but unfortunately cannot afford the more expensive, highly spoken of doctors. Is there a difference in pricing since it was the clip instead of the cutting procedure? Also, are the chances of getting pregnant greater since he wasn’t actually cut? Thank you for your time.

Regardles of the type of vasectomy procedure, the best chances for a successful vasectomy reversal is to have it done using a microsurgical approach by a fellowship trained and experienced surgeon. Vasclip used for the vasectomy does not change outcomes for vasectomy reversal success.

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Can I get my wife pregnant with low motility?

From Victor:-
Thank you doctor so much for your time. I recently had a vasovasectomy in March 2009 and by April my first semen sample was 38 million with all else normal except for the motility was about 38%. My second sample taken in May indicated that my sperm count was 46 million with my motility going up to 42%. My doctor made a comment of “What a Guy” and indicated that with a sperm count that high I should not have any problems impregnating my wife. My wife and I have been trying to get pregnant, since then with no luck. We purchased a Clearblue ovulation monitor to help monitor her cycles and she is producing all the normal hormones (Follicle Stimulating Hormone and Luteinizing Hormone) that are required to have a normal pregnancy. She is 35 years old and I just turned 49 I am in exceptional health I have maintained my health and diet taking nutrients for almost 30 years of my life. With the exemption of the occasional pork rib attack that I get around the holidays at my age I must watch my cloistral. Since my reversal my wife, who normally is on time has been running about 5 to 6 days late with about day 16 (of her cycle) she complains of sharp pain in her right ovary area. I have a feeling that my sperm my not have what it takes to penetrate the egg or even make it there in the first place and we may be wasting valuable time as I am not getting any younger. I already have two grown children from a previous marriage 24 old boy and a 20 year old girl; although, I was extremely excited about having another child.

For future consideration and for other readers’ insert:

1) My vasectomy was performed in 1994 (15 years ago)
2) I work out at least three days a week (since 1990)
3) I take vitamins and one 81 aspirin 5 days a week
4) I am 49 years old and had my Vasovasectomy in March of 2009
5) Getting my Reversal was extremely painful and I did have complications by infection and had to be placed on steroids
6) Ice can be your friend, it was not that bad but I am sure my age played a roll
7) First semen sample was taken one month after surgery with motility at 38%
8) Second semen sample was taken two months after surgery with motility at 42%
9) I take ginseng on a regular basis

At motility of this level can it be possible to get my wife pregnant?

The short answer is, yes. A man should be able to get a woman pregnant with the stated semen parameters. However, pregnancy is dependent on multiple factors, one of which are the semen parameters. It can be possible that there is a female factor involved and this can be contributing to difficulty with getting pregnant. Irregularity in a woman’s menstrual cycles is a sign that further evaluation into her fertility capacity should be sought.

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Should I get more testing done?

From Joel:-
Thanks for taking my email. I had a vasectomy in Dec of 2008 in a military hospital. I have been in for numerous tests and have had both clear and non motile sperm present. I’ve never had two consecutive tests come back clear. I went back into the Urology clinic this last week to see what was wrong. The Doctor had me submit another specimen and tested it immediately. I was informed it was clear. I stressed to the doctor that my wife and I really do not want any other children so I want to be sure that I don’t have any sperm present. The doctor also told me that non-motile sperm can’t get a woman pregnant and that I shouldn’t worry about it. I was also informed that they do a much more thorough test than a civilian Dr. would and that I would have been cleared a long time ago had I gone to a civilian Dr.

This is very frustrating because I can’t see to get anyone to give me a straight answer. What should I do? Should I keep going in for tests? Or should I trust that Non motile sperm pose no threat?

Persistent non-motile sperm in the ejaculate is a dilemma that every vasectomy surgeon must deal with in their practice. Whether this represents a micro-recannalization or just some residual sperm in the “tank” is difficult, if not impossible, to determine. This should become more apparent with some time. In theory and practice, rare non-motile sperm can not cause a pregnancy, if they are truly non-motile. However, because of legal concerns related to an unwanted pregnancy, most vasectomy surgeons are unwilling to give a man the “all clear” if any sperm are still present in the ejaculate after a vasectomy.

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No sperm six months after vasectomy reversal

From Carla:-
My husband had a vasectomy reversal in March 2009 after having the original vasectomy about 9 years before. Doctor said there was not any fluid when he did the reversal but that didn’t mean it wouldn’t work. My husband had tremendous swelling and pain for 3-4 weeks after the procedure. He still has a swollen testicle now, 6 months later and the doctor says its normal. He has been tested 3 or 4 times and has not shown any signs of sperm returning. We have a son together that is 10 years old and he has a daughter from a previous marriage who is 13 years old. The doctor is now recommending a dosage of Clomid to try to kick start things for him. Would you agree this is the right step? What are your thoughts on the still existent swelling?

It is not clear which operation was done but it seems that a vasovasostomy was performed when an epididymovasostomy should have been done. The absence of fluid in the vas deferens at the time of surgery represents that a secondary obstruction has developed in the epididymis. Unfortunately, many general urologists perform vasectomy reversals and are not capable of performing an epididymovasostomy when it is required despite the recent practice guidelines from the American Society of Reproductive Medicine (ASRM) stating:

“Since it is seldom possible to determine pre-operatively if epididymovasostomy will be required in a man undergoing vasectomy reversal, only surgeons skilled in both epididymovasostomy and vasovasostomy should perform vasectomy reversal”

The lack of sperm in the ejaculate after a vasovasostomy six months after vasovasostomy represents a failed procedure. Clomid can improve the production of sperm but will not overcome the blockage that still exists. Persistent swelling in the scrotum 6 months after the procedure is equally concerning and should be evaluated by a physician.

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Is this incision normal?

From Shawn:-
Attached is a picture of my vasectomy incision. Post procedure 2 days. This incision does not look normal to me at all. I’m not experiencing any unusual pain but I am concerned with the way this incision looks. Can you please let me know if this seems normal. Thank you.

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The submitted picture represents an incision 2 days after a vasectomy procedure with a single midline incision. There is minimal bruising and swelling surrounding the wound. The dark areas represent some skin that has been strangulated by the sutures used to close the incision. There appear to be 4-5 temporary sutures. Everything appears to be healing as expected for a man after a vasectomy performed with a single midline incision two days after the procedure. The single midline incision sounds attractive to prospective patients, but the reality is that a single incision that requires 4-5 sutures to close is much more invasive than two separate incisions requiring zero to one suture to close. A comparison of photos from previous posts using the 2 incision technique will help with understanding the differences between the two approaches.

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Question on MESA complications

From Susie:-
My husband had the MESA procedure (sperm aspiration) a year after his vasectomy so we could try to have a child. He had no issues with his vasectomy. The MESSA procedure was a very different experience. The doctor said there was a great deal of scar tissue from the vasectomy and she had trouble getting the testicle back into him after searching for sperm on the right side. The left side was fine and she retrieved sperm as planned. When he came out of the surgery he complained of tremendous pain (9 on a scale of 10). My husband has a high threshold for pain, so I was greatly concerned. He was diagnosed with a hematoma within 2 days with a great deal of swelling in his abdomen, groin and down his right leg. She said we would need to wait to see if it stopped bleeding on it’s own and the blood would absorb back into the body. Once the hematoma was diagnosed, he began to bleed through the stitches. We called the doctor and she said this was normal for a hematoma.

So we assumed it was bleeding out and doing fine. After a week, the stitches busted and there was blood and pus coming through the wound. He went back in to the doctor and she said this was normal and tried to stitch it back up again. “The old college try but it probably won’t stay.” It didn’t and busted again within a few days. We continued to put gauge on it each morning and night waiting for it to heal. A couple weeks later it began to smell really awful and pus even more. We got the on call doctor (we were also out of town on vacation) and he put him on antibiotics and said to pour alcohol on it each night if he could stand it. He couldn’t feel the alcohol other than cold but we assumed that was ok since the on call doctor said based on his experience alcohol kills everything.

We did this for 3 weeks. On his next scheduled checkup on the 4th week, it was supposed to be the size of a pin according to the doctor. My husband told the doctor the purple scab had peeled off a few days before and skin was flaking off. Also the smell had not gone away. She cut away some of the dead tissue and said she wanted to get him under to look open it up and look at the inside. He was back in surgery 2 days later. After 20 mins I was called into the consultation room. She said she’d never seen anything like it, the testicle looked and smelled dead but putting the ultrasound on it there was still blood flowing to it. I asked what we should do? I was worried about staff infection and long term risk to his life. She suggested it wasn’t a concern and she was waiting for tests back to see if the tissue was alive. She in the meantime cut everything dead she could see through the inflammation and probably got most of the testicle but really couldn’t be sure what she cut out. So now we’re trying to heal an open wound, there’s no open wound hospital care they can find over a holiday weekend. The doctor has been nice enough to offer to meet us at the ER tomorrow (Sunday) to change the dressing herself. We’re just wondering what we did wrong, why did he have to lose a testicle and what could we have done different when all we did was go in for a Mesa procedure that has gone horribly wrong and resulted in losing (maybe, but maybe not) his testicle. Our main concern is how can we understand for our own piece of mind what happened and how we can prevent anyone else from going through this horrible nightmare that was supposed to be a simple procedure?

Regards,

This case represents the worst consequence of a MESA procedure. MESA is the acronym for Microsurgical Epididymal Sperm Aspiration, a procedure used for retrieving sperm from an obstructed epididymis for the purposes of performing IVF/ICSI. It is considered a minimally invasive procedure with minimal side effects. Loss of a testicle is a devastating sequelae of this procedure and, fortunately, only occurs rarely. The reason why the severe infection developed can be a result of intra-operative contamination, lack of an adequate blood supply or due to co-morbid conditions of the patient. For example, diabetes mellitus can predispose patients to post-operative infections in situations where an infection would normally not have occurred. However, the decision to close the scrotum immediately after the first time the blood and pus came out was not the ideal decision. Once an infection has occurred, it is impossible to eradicate all of the bacteria and closing the wound only will trap the remaining bacteria in the scrotum, causing the infection to recur. Severe infections that are left untreated for several weeks can lead to the destruction of tissue.

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Second vasectomy scheduled – got some questions.

From Bill:-
Dr. Karpman. Would love to have a few of these unanswered questions dealt with before my second vasectomy that is scheduled in less than two weeks. Long story short, had a Vasectomy in March this year. Found out about 1 month ago that I still have live sperm. It did not work as you can tell, and I have a second one right around the corner. Hopefully you can get back to me before that. Great Urologist did the first and it was very easy. He has done them for over 20 years and I am his first that did not work. He wanted to do the second one under general in the hospital to make sure this one works. Keep in mind that he sent in to pathology and got confirmation that he did cut the left and right vas…..so he did not make a mistake. Instead of a “free” in office procedure which I was looking for, the hospital has to be paid and would be pretty expensive. He recommended another Urologist at his practice that said he would do it and he feels very sure that a second would work just fine. So, do you have any data that shows how successful second procedures are? If so, are they done with general so that the Dr. can take a bigger piece of the vas to insure it will work. Or is the same 10 minute office procedure also as successful? With that answered, what does the new Dr. expect to find when he goes in? Will he know at that point if either or both vas had re-joined? Also, first procedure was 2 small incisions and this Dr. does it the other non scalp way? Any reason this is or should be a concern. I just really want to know going in for the second that I can expect it to work. Also worried that a second will be worse in some way regarding pain, recovery, added or more risks that I did not have from the first. It has been difficult to get these questions answered as for me to have an office visit first, I would have to pass on Sept. 8th. because he is so booked and I would be pushed back till Oct. My wife is due last month to have her 5 year IUD taken out and she is 42 and I do not want her to have to do that again. Looking forward to your response to these questions. Thanks so much for taking the time to read and answer this e-mail.

Regards,

The chances that a vasectomy will recanalize is extremely low and the chances of the same occurring with a second vasectomy is no different. The reasons why the first vasectomy did not work can be numerous and we can only guess at what is the reason. There is no reason why a repeat vasectomy after a failed vasectomy should be performed under a general anesthetic. Physician preference usually dictates the approach (scalpel vs no scalpel, one vs two incisions) and where the vasectomy will be performed (office or operating room). The findings at the time of repeat vasectomy are usually that of a joined vas deferens at the previous vasectomy site. Histologic evaluation can confirm which side recanalized.

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Does it really take 50 ejaculations before being cleared?

From Ken:-
My doctor told me that he believes that it takes 50 or so ejaculations to clear out the sperm. He told me to work toward that number and come back in 2-1/2 months to get tested. It has been 3 weeks and I am up to 40 ejaculations. The question is what is more important, the number of ejaculations or the amount of elapsed time? Or are both important?

The number of ejaculates is the most important determinant for sperm clearance after a vasectomy. Simply waiting for the sperm to die and to disintegrate will take much longer than completing the required number of ejaculates. The studies have shown that all of the sperm can be cleared from the ejaculate in 24 ejaculations. Fifty ejaculations might be unnecessarily high.

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From Sarah:-
My husband’s first semen sample was negative 4 months after the VR. Is there any chance that the sample will ever be positive? His vasectomy was about 4 years ago and he is 29 now.

The return of sperm to the ejaculate is highly dependent on which procedure was done to reverse the vasectomy. Vasovasostomy usually results in the return of sperm to the ejaculate in 2-3 weeks in 95% of patients. In contrast, epididymovasostomy takes 3-6 months to see the return of sperm. The absence of sperm in the ejaculte 4 months after the vasovasostomy procedure would be a bad sign that the procedure is not successful. Whereas, absence of sperm four months after an epididymovasostomy could only mean that the surgery has not yet matured.

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